AQTF 2007 Quality Indicatros Resource Package ACER - Larry Foster ACER were involved in the development of the quality indicators for AQTF2007 standards to support the outcomes focus. It's interesting sitting here listening to the development process being described (methinks) in too much detail, especially after the suggestion by Rob Simons from The Smith Family that educational research needs to be about tools not papers! I would also suggest that when an abstract states the talk will be about ways of using the tools, you should do so pretty promptly. We're now nearly half way through the time. Impatience is a core feeling right at this minute. Maybe I needed a nice cup of tea? Survey developed will be mandatory use. Part of this consideration includes the need for administration of the tool being cheaper (time, energy, expnse) than the myriad of current processes scattered across training providers. Ok- he must have heard my typed complaints! 35 mins in we get the hear details about tools. Linked paper, phone, CD and online formats. Employer questionnaires 20 items, 5 Mins completion time Learner Questionnaires 30-40 questions, 5-10 mins completion. Includes demographic and context questions. Where paper based, data entry will be direct into data system that others go into. Don't people think about font size on ppts???? Especially on the examples of questions which is what we're here for? Deep breath in, slow breath out... How will it be administered? Eg per year/ per unit/ for all employees/ per employee? From Larry's response the choice will be down to the RTO how often it will be done. Not yet specified by DEWA if such specifications will be made. Tool will be available from August for further consultation from which point RTOs can test and consult and adapt. Full pacakge will include questionnaires, collection software, technical support, code of practice, various resources for RTOs to administer and make use of the quality indicator data. This will be available from August on http://www.training.com.au Roadshow from October.